tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post613640181909809390..comments2023-05-11T10:05:37.318-04:00Comments on Deaf Progressivism: Let's Stop, Drop and RollUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-77283580218087619032008-02-17T02:47:00.000-05:002008-02-17T02:47:00.000-05:00It seems to me that people who commented at Mike M...It seems to me that people who commented at Mike McCon's blog don't get it about subtitling. They kept on insisting those who don't use subtitles means they are being hypocrites not making it accessible. First of all Mike's supporters, leave them alone. They need to enjoy the freedom to vlog without having the burden to add captions and to demand them to take the time is not reasonable. Most above all, to add subtitles is a big distraction to ASL. Yes, that is what the big problem is and not all of them intend to reach the audience that don't know signs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-29472748719168721972008-02-15T11:47:00.000-05:002008-02-15T11:47:00.000-05:00Just got your email right now for this post! :)I w...Just got your email right now for this post! :)<BR/><BR/>I wasn't really around when there was an argument except for CoCo's post did I realize that it was the hot topic on DR.<BR/><BR/>It's up to the v/blogger, I agree.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'd do it with subtitling my videos but I don't have the equipment do it that would make it easy for me to use.<BR/><BR/>I'm not good at translating either. But I would try if requested.<BR/><BR/>Anyway... thanks for the wonderful video and many thanks to Ocean, too! :)<BR/><BR/>Love the free hugs banner, Ocean!!! :D<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>IamIamMinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337230366443001201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-24224052317742126972008-02-15T03:03:00.000-05:002008-02-15T03:03:00.000-05:00Davy, High five back (smack!)drmzz: It is up to us...Davy, High five back (smack!)<BR/><BR/>drmzz: It is up to us how we would want to buy one's claim. Perhaps Mike will benefit from being a salesperson to market tech stuff, heh?<BR/><BR/>Puzzled: Thanks! I wonder the same too. I have asked this question in Coco's blog but haven't seen her reply to this question.<BR/><BR/>Hi Kim, well this is the wild, wild west of blogosphere, isn't it? It is unfortunate that certain individuals are being attacked or criticized without having a constructive feedback. I did not have the chance to read everything what was said about SG, but it is understandable that subtitling can be annoying to some viewers. On the other hand, it can be helpful to some viewers. It is just too bad that the discussion was not taken in a constructive open dialogue. Emotions just get in the way.<BR/><BR/>I have also seen recent debate putting some pressure to caption their vlogs as well. That is why I have emphasized that no one should be forced by feeling pressured.<BR/><BR/>Kim, I hope that you are able to find ASL users where you are able to use and improve your skills and most importantly of all, have fun with this beautiful language.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05468248139421077835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-64340363409330524792008-02-15T01:58:00.000-05:002008-02-15T01:58:00.000-05:00I'm glad you blogged for a change. Between you an...I'm glad you blogged for a change. Between you and MZ, I'm starting to understand the "other side" a little better. :-) Some of the reasons offered for NOT transcribing or captioning have sounded a bit lame -- such as "if ALL hearing people captioned their vlogs, then I will too. . ." It just sounded like tit for tat.<BR/><BR/>I also care about Patty and Coco, the Deaf-blind. <BR/><BR/>I don't think any of us has ever said we wished ALL would transcribe or caption. I have always thanked those for going to the extra effort of transcribing and captioning, because I know it IS a huge effort on their parts-- I know. <BR/><BR/>What bothered me most was when people got down on SG for captioning his vlogs. It got so ugly just before the DeafRead con, and that's why he left DeafRead. <BR/><BR/>Why did the others put him down for captioning his own vlog? It wasn't right, and this pressure discouraged others from doing the captioning their vlogs too. That's what started all this. <BR/><BR/>Anyway-- I don't care. I may or may not continue with the ASL.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093639101711800065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-67476404196004966702008-02-15T01:40:00.000-05:002008-02-15T01:40:00.000-05:00Bravo! This is a well balanced blog entry explaini...Bravo! This is a well balanced blog entry explaining the both sides of vlogs and blogs! Well-written post, Barb DiGi!<BR/><BR/>Know what I have noticed about your blog? Your font is friendly and easy for DB to read as opposed to Mike McCon and Deaf Pundit. Wondered why no one said anything about this? Why pick on adding subtitles and not say anything about blog's font sizes?<BR/><BR/>PuzzledAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-30846042723651427982008-02-14T21:08:00.000-05:002008-02-14T21:08:00.000-05:00Yep. Respect to vlogger's choices, that's all to a...Yep. Respect to vlogger's choices, that's all to ask for. Mikie McCon, spare me your technological obsession bullshit. I'll stick with LANGUAGE aka ASL. Get over it, Deaf Voice boy.drmzzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00494918938276567340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-17430210639531114672008-02-14T20:26:00.000-05:002008-02-14T20:26:00.000-05:00Gimmie high Five ... That is all a count for Respe...Gimmie high Five ... That is all a count for Respect!<BR/><BR/>DavyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-15558497936709708412008-02-14T18:41:00.000-05:002008-02-14T18:41:00.000-05:00Great to see you here Brenster! Yes, I dig your po...Great to see you here Brenster! Yes, I dig your point. It is not an easy task translating from ASL to English and it will never be exactly the same way how a meaning is conveyed. Certainly, it is an everlasting challenge that may not have desirable results unless the presenter is signing in PSE like certain vloggers do making it easier to translate in English. <BR/><BR/>It is important to understand the complexity of providing English text from true ASL vloggers that it will not be exactly expressed in the same way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05468248139421077835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-91715325918270778762008-02-14T16:23:00.000-05:002008-02-14T16:23:00.000-05:00Hi Ocean! You rock!White Ghost: Yes, it is a sorro...Hi Ocean! You rock!<BR/><BR/>White Ghost: Yes, it is a sorrow to know our fellow DB viewers are not able to see well or at all. Some people are not comfortable to be tech savvy or going to the distance to provide texts. It would be nice if someone can sponsor several translators to do transcripts or subtitles in this v/blogosphere. Perhaps that will solve the problem. About Carl's message, I understood that he meant by keeping "ASL clean and pure" which is not to mix it with English simultaneously that will influence the viewers to get the impression that ASL signs can be interpreted word for word which is not necessarily the case.<BR/><BR/>Hi Steve-O! We all go together up, up, and away from the smoke of flames! Hugs oxox<BR/><BR/>Mike: We know that if there’s smoke in a room, we should be getting down as low as we can and crawl under the smoke. But I just decided to throw in this quote to make it more cautious and perhaps eye-catching way to think about how it applies to this issue that has been going on in DeafRead. Certainly, it a great safety reminder that we can practice this method whenever our clothes are caught on fire. This message is an analogy to what is happening to the DeafRead community that we need to take more safety measures and cautions to prevent the house from burning down. Yes, we all have hopes!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05468248139421077835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-78954565409488647332008-02-14T15:54:00.000-05:002008-02-14T15:54:00.000-05:00yes, right! when certain bloggers mentioned concer...yes, right! when certain bloggers mentioned concerning accessibility for deaf-blind, i knew they had ulterior motivation. <BR/><BR/>like you said, if vloggers are expected to provide subtitles or at least provide transcripts, then bloggers should be expected to provide ASL versions of their entries! Double standard! <BR/><BR/>lastly, it's also an issue that English and ASL are TWO completely SEPARATE language. It takes a while trying to figure out the best way to translate from ASL into English. There are many examples in ASL that have no direct equivalent meaning in English. That's another challenge.brenster-https://www.blogger.com/profile/06463054579354187363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-1312542191388666052008-02-14T15:33:00.000-05:002008-02-14T15:33:00.000-05:00The "Stop. Drop. And roll," is a safety message fo...The "Stop. Drop. And roll," is a safety message for people if they themselves get caught on fire...not the house. People tend to panic when they are on fire. If you are on fire, the clothes are burning, best to stop what you're doing (none of that running around giving more oxygen for the fire), drop to the ground, and roll around to help yourself self-extinguish the fire. <BR/><BR/>Good safety message of the day. Meanwhile, we all can hope that technology will gradually make things easier for all of us, including DB community to feel more inclusive in the deaf community.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10075128035825632156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-74026475479937714472008-02-14T14:18:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:18:00.000-05:00There you go, girl!!There you go, girl!!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05760700085406435787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-74229043200016158332008-02-14T14:11:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:11:00.000-05:00Beautifully said, Barb.There are stage-level categ...Beautifully said, Barb.<BR/><BR/>There are stage-level categories that the blind people have whereas they will be facing the adjustment in their life.<BR/><BR/>Depending on their sights, they will face not to see the ASL, captions and transcripts.<BR/><BR/>I am offended to see that Carl stated, "ASL is clean and pure" in his recent vlog. He expects that Deafblind people can sign clean and pure in ASL, however, they will not see our sign language clearly. I lost my respect in him.<BR/><BR/>My heart goes to the Deafblind people who will face to shut down their visions later in life.<BR/><BR/>We should be grateful to have the technology's help so that way we can be include in this part of the community.<BR/><BR/>White GhostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37179429.post-86823649340807685442008-02-14T14:08:00.000-05:002008-02-14T14:08:00.000-05:00Thank you for linking to my post, Barb. I hope oth...Thank you for linking to my post, Barb. I hope others will join you in getting out of that fire and coming over to the Crossroads, where we can all sit together and watch a beautiful video that reminds us about showing courtesy and respect for one another.<BR/><BR/>Your message is one that we should all remember.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the great work!<BR/><BR/>~ Ocean<BR/>Deaf Pagan CrossroadsOceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783132510592587743noreply@blogger.com